I noticed that her reed-tying was not causing nearly as much disturbance and movement of the music stand as my tying was, so I tried lessening the tension on my string. The opening of reed will collapse overtime. I’d love to hear about them. Luckily, this also means that if the reed is a little too open just wait a week or two and it may collapse to a manageable size. When the cane seems soft, I also observe that the size of the opening changes dramatically after the dry reed has been soaked. Then in my lesson I ended up tying a reed, using a music stand as an anchor. click here to go to the shop where I sell handmade reeds. 1. If the opening is too small the reed may not accept the air stream and the low notes will feel labored and unstable. The closing and opening of the reeds is repeated at an incredible speed. If a reed is too open it will be difficult to control and may fatigue the mouth too much to be playable, but if the opening is too small the reed will be sharp and inflexible. Flexibility (sound and dynamics) 3. Singin’ Dog is a well-known maker of oboe reeds, and this particular reed is entirely handmade. Or at least it should be. The reed is organic fuel for many micro-organisms that live harmlessly in your mouth or the air kept in check by your immune system and competition from other microbes. Do you think that letting them dry overnight before clipping them would make them even more open? 2. Just a thought, again from someone that doesn’t know two things (I would like to think I know at least one) about actually making oboe reeds. These simple but crucial tests will help you decide if your reed is broken or needs replacing especially if your just starting out on the oboe. To be honest, it is rare to find a beginner who is able or willing to play the oboe for more than a few hours a week when starting out, so their first one or two reeds last for a while. I have been tying the blanks to 73.5 cm. After you have selected the cane for straightness and chopped it to length, lay the piece bark-side down on a flat surface. Martin. The opening may be too closed, in which case there are no good adjustments that would help. Chips that occur at the edges of the tip are not as critical as chips at or near the middle from left to right. Plus the oboe reeds I make myself. Huge time savers to ensure that you eliminate variables. These online oboe lessons are for Premium Reed Maker and Premium Reed Maker-Month members only. The opening of a reed is key in determining the pitch, and resistance of the reed. REED DEATH! They will not close no matter how hard I try to squeeze them. Using rubbing alcohol or hydrogen peroxide may keep them at bay temporarily but this is not a long term solution. I do not recommend soaking reeds in your mouth because this promotes bacterial growth which will diminish the life of the reed. Solution : Get a new reed. I asked one of my colleagues at work about this, as it’s interesting to me, even as someone that only makes bassoon reeds. The oboe is officially one of the most difficult instruments to play. Ideally, the sides should close with the string still one wind below the top of the tube. The approximative dimensions for this product are 4.2 x 0.6 x 4 inches. What should I do if the reed seems too hard? Hi Andrew, thanks so much for responding. You can prevent these growths by soaking your reeds in a reed soaker, or cup,  instead of your mouth. Oboists may keep a reed for a while so it is worth monitoring the wear and tear on your reed so you know when it’s time to say goodbye. It is usually not the players fault if a reed cracks; they just happen when they happen and can be impossible to predict. 3. 1. I tend to scrape the corners of the tip before setting the blank aside. Oboe Reeds. Slight variations in temperature, altitude, weather, and climate can also have an effect on the sound of the reed, as well as minute changes in the physique of the reed. I do not think it is the staples I have been using because after trying some of my teachers’ staples that had previously worked for her, my reeds still had the same problems. I’ve adjusted the gouge, changed shaper tips, and experimented with different staples, and yet I end up with big openings much more often than small ones. Gently squeeze the reed blades closed if they are too open. Sometimes after I tie the reed, de-bark it and clip the tip, the opening seems normal-sized and the sides seem to close. Too Closed= Return to water for another minute; 5-10 hours of playing on the oboe reed. – the integrity of the fold before shaping, i.e. A reed that is no longer functional has three key indicators that will reveal if it needs replacing. If it’s too big, gently close the blades between your fingers. Might put you in a slightly different cane quality level too, changing some other variables. There is no remedy. And the best part of it is that the instruments can tilt easily for fast removal due to the padded lining. I know that many, many reeds pass through the shop, so I trust your colleague’s generalization. If the reed becomes too hard, the next time try … Molds will often show up as fruiting bodies or black colonies, while bacteria will often form films along the inside of the reed. An “easy” reed (or beginning/student/soft reed) is almost always scraped too thin, making the vibrations easier to achieve without much air support. Likewise if the reed is too closed—- but in the reverse, of course—- gently squeeze it open from edges of the two blades, only if you’re sure that it’s wet! The nature of this double reed will make it go out of tune real easy, as you've noticed. IF THE REED TOO FREE: Try clipping the tip of the reed and readjust. Let sit for another minute.-The opening should be about the height of a Dime. 3. Skip navigation Sign in. C. Corners of the mouth are turned up (in a smile) 1. A good reed is responsive, balanced, and stable. The instant the reeds close, a sound almost exactly like hands clapping is produced and transmitted to the instrument, where the sound waves reverberate back from the tone holes and the opposite end of the oboe, opening the reeds up again and allowing breath to reenter. First the thread that is tied around the cane to fasten it to the staple tugs on the cane counter clockwise. For tips on making the reeds last longer and getting the most out of your reed check out this article I wrote by clicking here. If none of this helps at all, have a teacher or other qualified person watch your whole process from beginning to end. Perhaps they last even a few weeks or a couple months. If the reed is too hard too open too closed 1. Oftentimes when they do crow, they will have a low crow; I can usually never get them to crow a C. Also, the sides do not close as you look up past the heart of the reed. If the reed is feeling hard and sharp then this indicates that there is too much cane on the reed, try scraping the gullies first - concentrating of the top edges, and then do a light general scrape. If reed is hard to play, pinch where the string meets the reed. Skip navigation Sign in. Made to order by a team of professional oboists in Chicago. In one session, shape the cane, tie it, and scrape it until you have clipped the tip open. All of my reeds end up looking the same. Dealing with many different reeds that different people make that we sell at our store, and with her own reeds, she’s noticed that lately everyone seems to have bigger tip openings, even those from reed makers that typically have pretty squashed tip openings are pretty open. Some commercial reeds do not respect this and sometimes leave the tip thick. Oboists, we feel for you: and not just because of the double-reed misery, the duck noises, the … This will  eventually make the reed too hard to play as the response and tone will be compromised and a new one should be used instead. Tying on too long will cause the reed to leak; too short and the sides crush together causing the tip to spread apart. Thank you in advance! All Rights Reserved. It doesn’t seem to matter whether I gouge and shape the reeds myself or whether I order the cane pre-gouged and shaped. Overall, this is a secure Oboe Reed case, which you can close with sturdy clamshell protection. Shave off the ears with your reed knife, scrape both sides of the tip & clip open. a. 2. However, adjusting your oboe reeds to resolve this is not too complex. Demonstration to the right. How to Fix a Flat Oboe Reed Jones Double Reed … Viewing 11 posts - 1 through 11 (of 11 total) Author Maybe you need to adjust the diameter of cane you’re using, move up to 10.5 to 11 range if you’re at the 10-10.5 range now. Then, the reed works like a snapdragon–squeeze at the bottom and the top pops open. By pushing the reed up against the top teeth . This topic has 10 replies, 5 voices, and was last updated. Take a couple scrapes out of each side of the heart and tip. If I clip off the portion of the tip that has loose sides in an attempt to cut off the loose sides and fix the problem, the sides of the clipped reed then become loose. Use the Incra bent rule to mark the length of your shaped cane on one side: for example, if your staple length is 47 mm & your total length of blank is 75 mm, then the mark on the cane goes at 28 mm using the bent rule to measure from the top of the cane fold to the 28 mm mark on the rule. Often when I start beginners I provide them with a reed to learn their first notes on. The age of the reed required to grow such creatures is a bit longer than recommended simply because of the slippage and collapse described above. Squeeze gently on the sides. Soak new reeds in warm water for one minute. 3. Never work on a dry reed – it will likely crack. Please reach out to us with any questions about our selection of oboe knives. If it is too large, that can be dealt with easily, and should be okay to purchase. I have been using the Gilbert gouge and the Lucarelli and Brannen-x shapes. The tip of the reed is the thinnest part of the reed. Remove from water and shake out excess water. Some advocate for super glue but I don’t feel comfortable putting such chemical’s in my mouth. The result is a loud, quacky oboe reed that is unstable and can easily be overblown. If a reed is too open it will be difficult to control and may fatigue the mouth too much to be playable, but if the opening is too small the reed will be sharp and inflexible. How to buy an Oboe: Background and 4-Step Guide, What band directors wish they knew about teaching oboe, Oboe and Double Reed Repair People Across America, Why Does the Oboe Tune the Orchestra? Don't try to influence the tone in any way. If you need to order reeds, click here to go to the shop where I sell handmade reeds. This problem can sometimes be cured by soaking the reed in hot water or by squishing closed the back of a soaked reed. Just a thought. For Oboe, look at the tip opening. If the reed is too open squeeze the tip closed between the thumb and index finger for 30 seconds Is the cane warped? This can actually be caused by the reed being too open from the start, so the first place to look is how does the reed start out. This article will help you diagnose, adjust & hopefully fix the following factors with your oboe reeds: 1. Too closed… How do I crow the reed? These are just a few of the variables you might consider: Before fixing any problems, start by checking that the reed is not too open of too closed. As the reed ages, the blades will slip past each other little by little. As you get above 5,000 feet, and often into a dry climate, the reeds will vibrate less. I’m not sure what we can do with this observation. Strive to use the embouchure and jaw less for biting and instead the lips more for rolling in, making sure to use consistent air support. Additionally bacterial growth inside the reed can effectively make the opening smaller as the biofilms coat the inside cavity of the reed. Literally everytime I play, I'm always going to start out being either super sharp or super flat. D. Reed Problem: 1. I KNOW how to break in a reed, except this one seems waaaayy too open. My hypothesis is that very soft cane “balloons” open when tied onto the staple while rigid, hard cane would hold its shape and diameter. In reality, through normal use in practice and band class, an oboe reed should only last a couple of weeks. Singin’ Dog Oboe Reed Medium. This leads to sharpness and makes the reed harder to blow through. If they do not, the reed may be unstable and inconsistent. ... Find out why Close. I also experimented with letting the blank sit for a little while before clipping it rather than clipping immediately after tying and scraping. If you tie too short, the string will pinch the sides of the cane before the metal of the staple picks up the tension. A lot of oboe reeds cross my desk every month. It took me about five attempts to make one successful blank. All of my reeds end up appallingly open at the tip. My colleague is a seasoned oboist and reed maker. Flatten chin and point it down . I have one reed which is brand new--and I think it still needs breaking in. Reed too closed . If anyone has been through anything like this with oboe reeds, your input would be greatly appreciated! Dip the reed in water again and let it sit out an additional 1-2 minutes. Reeds are not meant to last forever and by keeping a rotation of reeds in your reed case you can sound your best. The SOAKED oboe reed may benefit from being squeezed shut for 30-45 seconds for the first few playing sessions. I soak my cane for about 25 minutes before I tie it. I have other strategies for getting the most life from your reeds in an article I wrote which you can read by clicking here. The oboe is officially one of the most difficult instruments to play. In my experience, letting blanks dry overnight before clipping them usually leads to reeds with more manageable (less huge) openings. Reeds naturally close down a bit when played on anyway. Might the cane itself (twistyness, hardness, density?) Any cracks in the reed will render it flat and useless. I think at this point I would try anything to make the opening smaller. Make sure the overlap is correct. Possible Cause: Either the reed is too closed (and likely old), and/or the embouchure is too tight. Home › Forums › Reeds › The Oboe Reed Room › Top of oboe reed will not close This topic has 10 replies, 5 voices, and was last updated 9 years, 4 months ago by Andrew R. Nogal. If tip is too closed, reed will play sharp and it will be impossible to blow into with adequate breath support. The opening of a reed will collapse overtime so there is a limited window (10-15 hours of playing, or 40 hours or so of not playing) when the reed will have an optimal opening. Whenever I play oboe, it's kind of like a "gamble." Viewing 11 posts - 1 through 11 (of 11 total). Tie length. A few reeds can help you feel ready for anything. If the reed is too closed, you will not get much life out of the reed, though will likely open up when soaked. A crack is usually obvious. Too closed… be a contributing factor to your tip opening woes? A crack is certainly the death of a reed. Most of the time, the fold seems to be pretty clean, no shreds. 1. The reed should be soaked for all of the following steps. Sometimes they are so open that they will not even crow, or they just sound like a goose (only one pitch) when I attempt to crow them. – pulling too hard on the wrap thread while you’re tying the blank. Instead, the “shushed” young oboist will bite the (too easy) reed, which will make the pitch soar and close the opening of the reed, which greatly reduces their ability to articulate notes. a. However, adjusting your oboe reeds to resolve this is not too complex. I know that there are certain reed-makers who insist on pulling the thread with all their might, but that doesn’t work for me. If you have any other questions or stories of reeds gone bad, please let me know in the comments. MEASURING. Work mindfully and remember to isolate only one variable at a time. Often a professional can clip the reed and remake the tip. Oboe, like any double reed, is a tough beast. I clip my reeds open before I let them dry. I have other strategies for getting the most life from your reeds in an article I wrote which you can read by clicking here. Viewing 11 posts - 1 through 11 (of 11 total) Author Reeds That Are Too Closed While the opening of the reed is mostly determined by the cane, gouge, and shaper tip, but this oboe reed lesson shares a few additional ideas on how to open up a reed. White or black growths in the reed mean it’s time to order replacements. Tying the reed on longer has the opposite effect. Also agree with Trent’s statement that 10.5 to 11.0 in diameter could help. This is opposed by the rails of the reed which pull clockwise to a neutral and stable result. Diagnosing Common Oboe Reed Problems. Trent, you bring up an interesting point. ... Find out why Close. – finished length of the blank; Good luck, What should I do if the reed is too easy? 3. All this should be done immediately after tying. I have been making reeds for about 2 years. While each player has personal preferences for reed opening, a medium opening from cane with a 9.75-10.5mm diameter is generally accepted. 2. If the reed is feeling hard and sharp then this indicates that there is too much cane on the reed, try scraping the gullies first - concentrating of the top edges, and then do a light general scrape. An oversoaked reed will likely be stiff, too open, and flat. At first only the low notes will stop working and eventually nothing will sound right. It is very telling who is not practicing at home based on how long their reed is still able to trudge along. Oboe reeds are expensive and it can be painful to have to get a new reed so often. By contrast if the reed is too open, the low notes may be raunchy and uncontrollable. I recommend soaking reeds for between 1-2 minutes in a small cup or shot glass of water. Mold…enough said…. I tied the reed with MUCH LESS tension than I what I would normally use to tie. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that there’s any way to “scrape out” the traits of a badly tied blank, no matter how good one’s knife technique may be. 2. It helps to ensure a good seal at the tip. Behold, my best reed in a long time was born, and I sincerely hope that the problem has been solved. Clip the tip of the reed (using a knife or razor blade), a little at a time till the crow is a “C” pitch. However, inexperienced reed makers should not try this. The opening of the reed is stabilized by two main opposing forces. Pitch (sharp or flat or change depending on note) 4. If it is too loud, the reed will be too hard to play easily; if it is too soft, the reed will feel "limited" and not project well. Thanks to everyone for the comments! As the tongue attacks the reed and/or it endures other microtraumas from handling or accidental knicks or bumps, the tip of the reed may take on a ragged or frayed appearance. Reed too closed . Keeping your reeds in a reed case and not in the plastic tube or coffin it came it will help as well. You can store up to 8 Oboe Reeds in this protective case. Medium Student oboe reeds are good for students in with 2-6 years of playing experience. Sometimes, these problems can be caused by an accumulation of small errors. It sounds like you are already doing this. If the pitch drops significantly and the cane feels soggy and sluggish to play there is probably a crack. The result will be a … And how to do it right. 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